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Titel: Shall I go over to 64bits Kanotix
 Verfasst am: 11.08.2006, 20:53 Uhr
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I have had a 32 bit Kanotix now for a while, I do not really remember whay I installed a 32 bit instead of a 64 bit edition. Maybe because the 32 bit edition was newer. I am nearly up to date with dist-upgrades and everything works very good.
Is there any benefits to do a new installation with 64 bit:s edition?
Shall I wait to next rc or edition?
Is there any drawbacks?
I have a Amd64 3400 and a mainboard with Nvidia chipset and Nvidia graphic card. |
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Verfasst am: 11.08.2006, 21:09 Uhr
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| If you have a 64bit system, it's always a good idea to give it a test drive with Kanotix64-Lite. However, some drivers and applications may not be available for 64bit. Just boot off the live cd with cheat code "unionfs" and test every device and application you're interested in. Use apt-get update and apt-cache search to locate packages. |
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Verfasst am: 11.08.2006, 21:15 Uhr
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vilde, the only benefit is if you need to handle extremely large data files, > 4 gigabytes I think is the number.
As ockham said, expect some issues with drivers, no flash for firefox, missing programs that have still not been compiled for 64 bit. And it's slower than 32 bit I believe.
Also, in my test install, after the latest dist-upgrade, the usb / firewire mounting bug does not appear to be fixed in 64 bit, it is fixed in 32 bit.
Realistically, 64 bit is for specialized applications, cutting edge development and developers, and so on.
32 bit is my choice, everything works, everthing gets fixed fast, it is what most people use. |
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Verfasst am: 11.08.2006, 21:40 Uhr
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Try it first with the live cd and unionfs, then put it on a spare partition, if you like, but keep your 32 bit installation.
If you grew up with M$ Windows, like myself, you're conditioned to have only one OS installed on your hard drive. With Linux, and Kanotix of course, you can have as many installs as your hard drives and optical drives can hold. So there's no "either ... or", it's always "and". Have fun! |
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Verfasst am: 11.08.2006, 23:57 Uhr
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Also, the 32-bit drivers for playing Windows media (Quicktime, Windows Media, etc.) don't work. If you run 32-bit apps, you sometimes have compatibility issues (but the ia32-libs package is pretty good now), the Java plugin (because Sun is too lazy to get off their *ss and write one for 64-bit Firefox) doesn't work which is more important to me than the Flash plugin 
Oh well...it's a server...and it feels snappier than 32-bit IMHO... |
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Verfasst am: 12.08.2006, 01:09 Uhr
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Wohnort: Texas
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Debian packages the 64 bit java plugin for amd64
It is faster.
As far as the multimedia stuff there are alternatives.
Gnash supports almost every that the last version of flash for linux supports.
But the missing programs are a pain.
All the ID software is 32 bit which you can get working. I had sounds problems which were annoying (somewhat resolved)
It can also be frustrating search for libs to ad to the ia32lib folder to get some 32 bit apps to work. |
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Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more.
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Verfasst am: 12.08.2006, 11:14 Uhr
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Anmeldung: 12. Mar 2004
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Wohnort: Paris-France
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| Silly question perhaps but is there an advantage to running a 64 bit kernel but 32 bit environment? |
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Verfasst am: 12.08.2006, 14:00 Uhr
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| No and dpkg won't allow that anyways. |
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Verfasst am: 12.08.2006, 23:29 Uhr
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OK Thanks for the advices. One day when I feel for it I will try with the live cd and I am familiar with having more than one Linux on my system so that's not a problem.
But!! I feel a little fooled, why do I have a 64 bit CPU? I bought it for good gaming performance in windows and for that it is ok but anyway? 64 bit Xp is probably still a joke with drivers not working and so is aparantly 64 bit Linux. So the 64 bit CPUs are only for nothing or? |
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Verfasst am: 12.08.2006, 23:46 Uhr
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64-bit Linux is less of a joke than Windows. At least most of the drivers work and you can relatively easily run 32-bit software on Linux  |
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Verfasst am: 14.08.2006, 17:37 Uhr
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Anmeldung: 12. Mar 2004
Beiträge: 275
Wohnort: Paris-France
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slh hat folgendes geschrieben::
No and dpkg won't allow that anyways.
dpkg wouldn't know !
but i was just wondering if it might have conceivable benefits? |
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Verfasst am: 14.08.2006, 18:12 Uhr
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| Why would you like to use debian (or any other distribution sporting any kind of package manager) if you like to litter your system beyond repair? |
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