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SentralOrigin
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 25.10.2006, 23:48 Uhr



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mzilikazi hat folgendes geschrieben::

What make/model/brand of USB speakers? I've never owned any USB speakers myself but Google might know something about them.


It's these by Forgrand or something

http://www.acesuppliers.com/company/inf ... ?pid=31575

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SentralOrigin hat folgendes geschrieben::
I tried using Amarok but my error message is:

xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers.
Ah! I know that one.

Keep xine, set device to automatic. If that works, reset it to alsa. And if that works, keep it.

hubi

It's already at Auto. It still doesn't work. I can't put it to Alsa because it says:

Can't init new Audio Driver alsa - using auto!
 
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SentralOrigin
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 26.10.2006, 01:44 Uhr



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If anyone can solve this problem for me, I will ask you to send me your PayPal address and I will PayPal you $5.00 USD
 
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SentralOrigin
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 26.10.2006, 18:31 Uhr



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Where can I download USB drivers for ALSA?
How do I switch soundcards but change the output from the mainboard?
 
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SentralOrigin
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 26.10.2006, 20:27 Uhr



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I downloaded the alsa-driver but I don't understand these instructions.

How do I run 'make'? There is no such file and I did view > hidden files and also console says it's not a valid command
 
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SentralOrigin
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 01:16 Uhr



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I finally figured out how to install the ALSA driver.

But now when I play media, I get a huge error notices of random numbers and letters in my ATerm, and then it can't play anything and I get the usual pop-up error as before.
 
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tinker
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 17:07 Uhr



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I'm not sure if I followed all of the previous posts correctly as I read through this thread, it seemed pretty convoluted to me.

However, it looks like a couple of days ago you blacklisted your sound card, thus causing that module to not load and as far as I can tell those usb speakers are just speakers not sound devices. Does your dmesg show any sound devices loaded? Maybe it would be a good idea to go back to square one and let the module load, get your sound working through the laptop speakers again and then continue with working on the usb speakers. I note that I have never used USB speakers, so my advice may not be the best.
 
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SentralOrigin
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 17:28 Uhr



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Ok thanks I will try unblacklisting it and start over I guess
Okay I got it un blacklisted

Now let's try this again all over again.

Lol, I forgot where to begin or start
 
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hubi
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 18:04 Uhr



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tinker,

I have USB-speakers from Philips, they behave like sounddvices and get their own hardware address. They work flawlessly.

My other USB sounddevice is a USB external soundcard by Trust which I use here to connect a small Sony to my Stereo. It is recognized as a sounddevice as well but has all the little problems SentralOrigin is writing about.

With the later device there seems to be a fight who is first at boottime: intel8x0 or the external USB soundcard by Trust. So Kano's advice seems to be very logical, and I blacklisted the intel8x0 on my Sony as well. Result: no fights anymore, I always get the external card on boot.

Further: the external Trust soundcard is not detected by alsaconf, and I cannot directly address it. An address like hw:1,0 does not help, I just get the same error like the OP: Xine does not blablabla. The kernel has to grasp it, at least it looks like that.

All my knowledge I have already given, so if it does not work having all other sounddevices blacklisted, I do not have a clue.

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 18:13 Uhr



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tinker,

I have USB-speakers from Philips, they behave like sounddvices and get their own hardware address. They work flawlessly.

My other USB sounddevice is a USB external soundcard by Trust which I use here to connect a small Sony to my Stereo. It is recognized as a sounddevice as well but has all the little problems SentralOrigin is writing about.

With the later device there seems to be a fight who is first at boottime: intel8x0 or the external USB soundcard by Trust. So Kano's advice seems to be very logical, and I blacklisted the intel8x0 on my Sony as well. Result: no fights anymore, I always get the external card on boot.

Further: the external Trust soundcard is not detected by alsaconf, and I cannot directly address it. An address like hw:1,0 does not help, I just get the same error like the OP: Xine does not blablabla. The kernel has to grasp it, at least it looks like that.

All my knowledge I have already given, so if it does not work having all other sounddevices blacklisted, I do not have a clue.

hubi


After countless trying different combinations of settings and rebooting over and over again, I have become more familiar with the error, so I know the problem quite well, but I don't have a clue as how to answer it.

If I don't blacklist my mainboard sound, and I boot up, it ALWAYS detects my USB sound device first, but it does not detect my mainboard sound. However, if I unplug my USB Speakers and boot up, it does detect my mainboard sound and it can play audio like that. But when I boot my system with the USB speakers, it detects it, but it cannot play audio with it for some reason. Nothing is blacklisted by the way. I can't figure out why it can play audio with my mainboard speakers easily but it doesn't know or can't play with my audio speakers. Maybe my mainboard speakers, even though they are not functioning at this point, are in play invisibly somehow and interfering with playing with my USB? Even when they were blacklisted I still have the problem of not being able to play with my USB speakers. So I don't think there's really an argument of which one boots up first, because if my USB speakers are plugged in, it always uses that as a primary speakers, it just can't play with it. I get that xine error as well if I try using my USB speakers.

So I guess I have not yet tried letting the "kernel grasp it". How can I do that? Baby step by step please Smilie
 
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hubi
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 18:39 Uhr



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Kernel grasping the card means: he just does it. I cannot interfere in this process which soundcard is grabbed first. Sometimes it was the internal soundcard, and I do not want that. But that's not your problem. Your problem is, you do not have a sound even if the USB speakers are the sound devices which are used - if I understand correctly.

With my Trust card I have the same problem as you have: no way to get anything from xmms. But amarok, noatun, kaffeine and all the others are working just fine.

I also thought arts, the KDE-sounddemon is the key to success, but no: mine is switched off by default.

Another thought: is there anything which blocks your soundcard? I cannot get my Trust card to work with more than one input simultanously. So: if there is a process which uses the soundcard, that might be a key to success as well. But ... what to look for?

Maybe you run
Code:
htop
at your shell to see which processes are running.

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SentralOrigin
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 18:44 Uhr



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I don't think anything else is using my soundcard at startup
But maybe the mainboard sound is still running in the back even if I start up the USB speakers from the beginning but the mainboard sound is always blocking it even if I'm not using it or the mainboard sound is not in the options even? Maybe it's still there somehow even blacklisted
 
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hubi
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 18:50 Uhr



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Mainboard sound means intel8x0, I suppose. It should be an either or, so no interference. It is quite a hack to configure a Linux box to use two soundcards simoultanously with ususal software like alsa or former oss. So that should not be the reason, because the kernel uses the modules, and they usually do not interfere.

But! Alas!

I remember a mute Fedora installation. There was a modem sounddriver: snd-intel8x0m. That one had to be blacklisted otherwise no sound at all and no chance to get a sound.

I check your lsmod again and have a look.

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hubi
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 18:56 Uhr



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But no, I'm writing from the Sony now, with the working Trust card (listening to internet radio right now). My lsmod looks like yours (just the intel8x0 is blacklisted, but it worked with it as well), and the modem-sounddriver is in:
Zitat:
snd_intel8x0m 13836 6
snd_ac97_codec 85280 1 snd_intel8x0m
snd_ac97_bus 2176 1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_usb_audio 68832 2
snd_pcm_oss 38432 0
snd_mixer_oss 13824 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm 66312 7 snd_intel8x0m,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer 19204 1 snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 7560 2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_pcm
snd_usb_lib 13568 1 snd_usb_audio
snd_rawmidi 19488 1 snd_usb_lib
snd_seq_device 6412 1 snd_rawmidi
snd_hwdep 6788 1 snd_usb_audio
snd 41828 23 snd_intel8x0m,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep
soundcore 7392 1 snd
usbcore 107012 7 snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,hci_usb,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd

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SentralOrigin
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 19:57 Uhr



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I will try to blacklist snd-intel8x0m since it really doesn't do anything, right?
 
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hubi
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 20:03 Uhr



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If you do not have a modem running (e.g. for faxing) you do not need it. But I'm afraid, it's not Fedora-time anymore, when this was the simple trick.
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SentralOrigin
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 20:12 Uhr



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Gah that didn't work either, lol.

I can see options in my ALSA config in XMMS now, for either the mainboard or USB Speakers. I can play perfectly with the mainboard if I select it, but if I select USB speakers I get the same error message. Grrr why is this?











This is the error message I always get with USB speakers but the mainboard sound plays fine.



 
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hubi
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 20:21 Uhr



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Ok, we are getting closer. Your mainboard sound is running, so the intel8x0 module is loaded when you boot. That should not be.

So let's try that the kernel is picking your USB speakers, obviously you really need to blacklist snd_intel8x0. And blacklist also snd-intel8x0 (I really don't know which notation blacklisting prefers, so both is the safe way).

Then reboot, the kernel should boot then the modules of the usb-speakers (snd_usb_audio) as primary sound device.

After rebooting try any player but not xmms (might not work like mine). Set audio output with alsa either to automatic or to the hardware address xmms gives you. The best would be, if it is named "USB-sth".

Gosh! It should work with one of your players then.

It's really a tough piece of hardware Mr. Green

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 20:28 Uhr



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Gosh I really wish I could use XMMS Traurig I really like it and I'm so comfortable with it for many years. GAhhhh
 
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hubi
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 20:29 Uhr



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Thx for the screenshots.

On my sony I only have two devices:
- Default PCM device
- USB Audio device

Use the "Default PCM device". That makes my xmms running with the Trust device. waaahoooo!!!!

God, I never thought of that one! *headbanging*

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 20:31 Uhr



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Addition: I think you have to blacklist all the intel stuff to make "Default PCM device" working. It never worked here before, I'm sure, just after yesterday's blacklisting (tried Kano's advice).
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 20:37 Uhr



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I just rebooted and I still get the same error message. I can only see the USB device now, but not the mainboard option because I blacklisted it. In the other media player like Kaffeine it says it could not load ALSA or something now. So I can't play any music at this point.

How do I blacklist all my Intel? I think most of my laptop products are Intel like the graphics and chipset and modem and LAN, etc.
 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 20:47 Uhr



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Tough, tough, tough.

What does
Code:
lsusb
say?

Here on my Sony it says
Zitat:
$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 145f:0090
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 044e:3007 Alps Electric Co., Ltd
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
That gives vendor and type of your USB device. Some forensic seems to be needed.

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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 20:47 Uhr



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I was able to record the error message in Aterm when I first try to play a song in XMMS. After this error message, I get the usual pop-up one from the screenshot before this one



 
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Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 20:50 Uhr



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hubi hat folgendes geschrieben::
Tough, tough, tough.

What does
Code:
lsusb
say?

Here on my Sony it says
Zitat:
$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 145f:0090
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 044e:3007 Alps Electric Co., Ltd
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
That gives vendor and type of your USB device. Some forensic seems to be needed.

hubi


Zitat:
SentralOrigin@Kanotix:~$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0e6a:0310 Megawin Technology Co., Ltd
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c01b Logitech, Inc. MX310 Optical Mouse
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000


The Megawin is my speakers and the Logitech is my mouse (obviously)
 
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hubi
Titel:   BeitragVerfasst am: 27.10.2006, 21:11 Uhr



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Did some looking around with google, and it is a really tough piece of hardware. Just found some people being not able to run it on SuSE, but they did not get any advice at all, and I found a patch for it for alsa on the alsa-devel site:
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/foru ... um_id=1752

But applying this patch goes beyond my knowledge, it is about frequencies (some USB devices need 48000 Hz - but: they work with 44100 as well - imho), and the patch older (7 months).

We might be out of luck and seem to enter hacking territory, and this is not my territory being a simple enduser.

Looks to be awkward Traurig

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