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Titel: Complete idiot here, need help.
 Verfasst am: 27.06.2006, 22:58 Uhr
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First off, let me warn you. I am not a linux noob. I am a flat out idiot. Therefore, I must ask that if you are going tell me how to do something, you literally must explain EVERY step. Even if it's something that you think is easy or you think it is self-explanatory and I will figure it out on my own, I WONT. Oh, and I am using Kanotix 2006 RC4 (installed on hard disk). Oh and I almost forgot, here are my PC specs:
DFI LanParty UT nF4 Ultra-D
Opteron 165 @ 2.8GHz (air cooling)
2x1GB G.Skill HX DDR400 RAM @ 234MHz
eVGA 7800GT CO @ 470/1100
ESI Juli@
PCP&C Turbo-Cool 510 Express/SLI PSU[/SIZE]
Now that that is out of the way I have some questions. First, when the PC is booting up, I see a message that says something like "Failed mounting Local filesystems with Error code 96", though the PC seems to work fine.
Now for the real question, partitioning. I read the install guide, but like I said before, I am not a noob, I am an idiot, and the partitioning served only to confuse me. Now, I have a 250gb seagate SATA hard drive. My only OS on the computer will be Kanotix, so no dual booting to fuss around with. I want Linux to use the whole hard drive. Now, as I understand it, for this type of setup, I will want a swap partition, a root partition and a home partition. And correct me if I'm wrong, but for the swap I should use 2gb (the same as my memory), the root I should use 20gb and the home should use the rest of the hard drive? Is that correct?
And in the partition manager, should I give each partition a label? What about the swap partition? Right now I am just using a really basic setup, 2gb swap and a root partition which uses the rest of the hard drive. From what I understand this is not a good idea.
I can only get as far as creating the actual partitions, and from there I will need very detailed step-by-step instructions on how to get kanotix to use the home partition, etc...
Oh, by the way, will kanotix take advantage of my dual-core CPU? It is a socket 939 opteron (basicly an athlon 64 X2). If it would require changing a lot of stuff to get dual-core working, I will also need instruction on how to do that as well.
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Titel: RE: Complete idiot here, need help.
Verfasst am: 27.06.2006, 23:24 Uhr
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003 hat folgendes geschrieben::
First off, let me warn you. I am not a linux noob. I am a flat out idiot.
You must be a relative of mine 
I would make the swap between 512mb to 1gb, since you have 2gigs of ram i would go with 512mb (some others will give their opinion also)
I don't have a home partition and I (my opinion) really don't see a need for one (others do, CHOICE is great  ), what I do have is a partition where I save my music, bookmarks, wallpaper, tips, misc junk, etc... that said I can't help much their and I know someone else will jump in that uses a home partitions.
I don't have a dual-core system (yet) again, someone will chime in
You might want to take a look at How can I install Kanotix to my hard drive?
Welcome to Kanotix and enjoy your stay, sorry I was pretty useless to you |
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Titel: RE: Complete idiot here, need help.
Verfasst am: 27.06.2006, 23:56 Uhr
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The "Failed mounting Local filesystems with Error code 96" error is fine. It's for backwards compatibility.
I agree with what piper says about the swap.
For the rest of the questions, I'm sure someone can help. I don't have a separate home partition, but I do keep all my data on several different partitions.
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Titel: RE: Complete idiot here, need help.
Verfasst am: 27.06.2006, 23:57 Uhr
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hi 003, dont worry about that error it seems to happen on all my installs with no noticable trouble, i agree with piper about 512mb swap (with2g of ram you wont use even that) personally i think seperate /home is a good move as it makes upgrades safer (all your important stuff is on a different partition so if things go wrong with your /root partition all is not lost) also i agree that a partition for music pictures etc is a good idea (i use one) once installed you can upgrade the kernel for one with smp in the name, this means it can handle dual cpus.
have fun with kanotix, any other questions, just ask...
cheers kstevek. |
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Titel: RE: Complete idiot here, need help.
Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 00:21 Uhr
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If I make a /home partition, dont't I need to specify it somewhere in the install? And dont you need to set it up so linux will actually use the home partition? I have no idea how to do any of that. I would need to be told exactly how to do this. Also, what do you mean upgrade the kernel with one with SMP in the name? How on earth would I go about that? When I said I'm an idiot I wasnt exaggerating.
Oh, how would I go about installing the nvidia drivers? Would it be the same as installing them on any other distro? All I do is download them, and switch to runlevel 3 and do "sh <insert name of nvidia driver package here>.run" as root? Or is there more to it than that on Kanotix? |
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Titel: RE: Complete idiot here, need help.
Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 01:25 Uhr
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Titel: Installing Kanotix to hard drive
Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 01:49 Uhr
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003,
You asked:
Zitat:
If I make a /home partition, dont't I need to specify it somewhere in the install? And dont you need to set it up so linux will actually use the home partition? I have no idea how to do any of that.
piper gave you a link titled "How can I install Kanotix to my hard drive?" Please click it and scroll down. Notice the screenshots with the light blue title bar and the name "Kanotix-Installer by A. Loibi". The third screenshot (light blue) with the "Partitioning" tab selected is the answer to your question.
Notice that "Set mountpoints of other partitions" is checked. Underneath in the "Mountpoint" column, the user has typed in "/" and "/home". That's how you do it.
I use 3 partitions with Kanotix:
/ (10 GB)
/swap (1 GB)
/home (30 GB)
This arrangement suits me, but may not suit someone else.
I would not be concerned about an SMP kernel at this time. I too have a dual core processor and unless you are involved with some major number crunching, you will not notice any increase in performance. The stable kernel should work just fine for you, as it does for me.
Zitat:
Oh, how would I go about installing the nvidia drivers? Would it be the same as installing them on any other distro? All I do is download them, and switch to runlevel 3 and do "sh <insert name of nvidia driver package here>.run" as root? Or is there more to it than that on Kanotix?
Installing an nvidia driver is easy. After you have installed Kanotix and rebooted, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 all at once. The Graphic User Interface will disappear and you'll see a command line prompt. Type the following commands:
su
(enter your root password)
init 3 (if nothing seems to happen, press Enter)
install-nvidia-debian.sh
reboot
That's all there is to it. When you have more questions, let us know. |
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Titel: RE: Installing Kanotix to hard drive
Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 02:10 Uhr
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install-nvidia-debian.sh? Does debian need a special nvidia driver for it to work or can I just download the latest one from nvidia? As for SMP, I am a heavy multi-tasker and UT2007 (it will have native linux support) which is coming out before the end of the year is going to be multithreaded.
Is it hard to get dual-core working? |
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Titel: RE: Installing Kanotix to hard drive
Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 02:14 Uhr
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| Best to use install-nvidia-debian.sh. It also uses the nvidia driver but takes care of everything else as well. |
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Titel: RE: Installing Kanotix to hard drive
Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 02:22 Uhr
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| Ok, I did it. Is it the latest version? How do I set the screen resolution over 1024x768 and use a refresh rate over 70hz? |
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Titel: RE: Installing Kanotix to hard drive
Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 02:24 Uhr
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 03:15 Uhr
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michael7 hat folgendes geschrieben::
I use 3 partitions with Kanotix:
/ (10 GB)
/swap (1 GB)
/home (30 GB)
I always heard that it was advised to have the swap partition first, then root, then all the others. The reasoning being that the beginning of a hard drive is faster to read. Since I am dual-booting windows and linux, I have:
windows (67 GB)
/swap (512 MB)
/ (12 GB)
Then again, I've heard that the root should go first, then swap, then others, the reasoning being that the root partition has all the main system files. Can anyone clarify this? |
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 03:29 Uhr
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| I like swap first, root second, home third. I also like a separate home for many reasons, none of which I'd ever reconsider since it's just a very safe thing to do overall. My /home is actually another partition on another hard drive, I like to keep all my OS stuff on one drive, and my data on other drives. Don't ask me why, it's just how I do it. |
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 04:13 Uhr
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What exactly is wrong with having only a swap and root partition?
*gets in flamesuit*
I mean, in windows, there is only one partition for the whole OS.
BTW, does anybody know how I can get the JACK soundserver working? It says it can't connect to jackd, but I have jackd installed. I'm really liking this distro. |
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 04:33 Uhr
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/home is where your configuration and data resides. Putting these in a separate partition makes it easier when something goes wrong and you need to reinstall your system. Nothing wrong with having config and data in root partition. It is also a good practice to back up your data. If you like to play around with different distros you can continue to use your /home if it is on a separate partition.
On the other hand it would not be very smart to hold windows up as a model of how things ought to be done. |
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 05:13 Uhr
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003, I'd say you answered your own questions, since windows puts it all in one partition, that's probably a good sign that's the wrong way to do it.
Just think about it, all your user data, it's all specific to your install, to you. Your os is just a bunch of basically static files that don't really change much, except for logs and that kind of thing.
I've done it like this since I learned what a partition is, I do it in windows too, except there it's harder to separate out your user data stuff, but all my regular data is on separate partitions.
Remember too the real reason ms pushes windows on one partition: it's simple, it doesn't confuse users. That has nothing to do with it being a good idea, it's just to avoid confusing users.
Things wrong with it? when all your data is all over the drive, well, it's all over the drive. When it's in one place, there it is. |
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 07:07 Uhr
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003 hat folgendes geschrieben::
What exactly is wrong with having only a swap and root partition?
I mean, in Windows, there is only one partition for the whole OS.
WIth 2 GB RAM, you don't even need a swap partition (I have only 1.2 GB RAM and my swap has never ever been touched by any process ...). But I'm not sure if Linux requires one "on principle" (?).
From my experience with Windows NT 4/5 (aka 2000) and several Linux distributions I would stronly recommend to keep the OS separate from personal data: if the OS goes berserk (and it will - simply because you will make mistakes on your way to understanding the OS ...) everthing on the partition in charge will share the same fate, going down the drain if worst comes to worst. On the other hand, a separate data partition (aka </home>) usually won't get touched nor destroyed (provided that the harddisk and partition table keep staying intact). |
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 14:48 Uhr
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| If something goes wrong cant I just boot off a livecd and put all my data on a usb drive? |
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 15:09 Uhr
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With Linux this should be the case (at least that's what I have experienced; with Windows that definitely won't hold true).
However, my (as well as h2's, if I'm allowed to guess) idea is simply to avoid trouble where it's that easily possible |
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 15:49 Uhr
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| Yes can, or external harddrive, Dual Layer DVD, etc.., thats why I (personally) don't make a seperate home partition, I burn everything, but, if I needed to make a living with my stuff on the computer as many do, I would probably make a seperate home.I have nothing of importance, so I don't. The good thing about all this is choice and linux gives you plenty. |
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 19:49 Uhr
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003, reading the Kanotix Online Manual, as Piper and others have suggested is a very good idea. All the basic things that a new user needs to know can be found there. Kanotix is a relatively small distro, but the support is really top notch.
I prefer a separate /home partition. Mainly for safety, but also it's easy to maintain and backup. In any case, I'm sure you'll soon resolve your partitioning issue. You will then face a few other issues very quickly; upgrading and backup. For these the manual is a great help too. There is a pretty much standard way to dist-upgrade in Kanotix (see the manual), but people use different strategies about the frequency. There are some good threads in the forums about this. Even more ways to do backups, but most agree that it's best to do them regularly. Again there are some great discussions in this forum. Welcome to Kanotix!
Regards,
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 22:12 Uhr
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003 hat folgendes geschrieben::
What exactly is wrong with having only a swap and root partition?
Nothing.
Zitat:
I mean, in windows, there is only one partition for the whole OS.
Well not to be obvious (or a smartass) but............this isn't windows. I use 6 partitions including swap. There are a multitude of reasons to use a multiple partition layout. If you personally don't find any of them compelling enough to go through the extra trouble (which is at most trivial) then don't bother. Sure, you can just make backups of your personal data if you'd rather.
My take on multiple partitions layouts is this:
If /home is on its own partition (or drive) and a reinstall is necessary you just point the installer to / and /home partitions and it's over. No need to repartition, no need to back up your data then copy it somewhere else again. It's just a personal preference. Linux is about choice.
Alot of people here recommend it due to personal experience. You'll find that the Kanotix users are an extremely helpful group and have only your best interest at heart even if you have not bothered to read the manual. BEWARE - this is not the case everywhere. Alot of users/forums will simply refuse to respond if you ask questions obviously covered in the manual. Well you're not a new Linux user.....
Zitat:
BTW, does anybody know how I can get the JACK soundserver working? It says it can't connect to jackd, but I have jackd installed. I'm really liking this distro.
It's not so hard BUT I would suggest creating a new post. This post is getting rather long, difficult to follow and bounces randomly from topic to topic. I'd be happy to respond to a post about jackd as would others. I have built and use a real-time low-latency kernel with jackd. |
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 23:11 Uhr
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| Ok, I have joined a linux-audio mailing list, and I think they have given me instruction on how to set up jack. If it dosn't work I will come back. One last question for this thread. Is it OK to use synaptic to upgrade all packages that have upgrades available? |
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Verfasst am: 28.06.2006, 23:45 Uhr
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003 NO NO NO NO NO NO. It's not ok. Never upgrade your system using synaptic under any circumstance. If you do, it will break, and no one can or will or should help you now that you've been warned.
Most upgrades will at some point involve an xorg, kde, or some other key group of files, upgrade. Which will break your system likely as not if you do it in x, with synaptic. Learn how to use apt, it's much better, safer, and more reliable.
Don't upgrade your system until you've read up on it and understand the risks. You must do that from init 3, the command line, not from inside of any gui type windowing manager, like kde.
Just hold off for a while, read some of the recent dist-upgrade threads, you'll see why you shouldn't do it until you understand it better.
http://kanotix.com/index.php?name=PNphp ... mp;t=19158
http://kanotix.com/index.php?name=PNphp ... mp;t=19055
To be clear, most kde programs, like k3b, karm, whatever, if you upgrade them will also upgrade kde and all its libraries. And so on. Which is a dist-upgrade more or less. This is why synaptic is not ok. |
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Verfasst am: 29.06.2006, 00:06 Uhr
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Well, I guess I got REALLLY lucky, because I had already done it after asking the question I marked all available packages for upgrade and it worked without a hitch.
Next time I will use that upgrade script for newbies.
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I do know how to use apt-get, I just find synaptic much easier. |
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