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 Posted: 2006. okt. 05., 22:12
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| well gnu.org is saying that Gnuzilla is the moz suite, so I am assuming that would be seamonkey, then? Must look around a bit more there regarding it. Would be nice to have it all together again. |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 06., 05:21
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| I just wish it would happen. I have lost my respect for mozilla. |
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Post subject: IceWeasel Is Not Firefox
Posted: 2006. okt. 07., 09:11
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Location: Portland, OR, USA
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IceWeasel may, or may not, replace Firefox in Debian. We don't know yet. But it's there.
(No, I didn't make that one up!) |
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Post subject: RE: IceWeasel Is Not Firefox
Posted: 2006. okt. 07., 09:30
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Post subject: RE: IceWeasel Is Not Firefox
Posted: 2006. okt. 14., 18:47
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Post subject: RE: IceWeasel Is Not Firefox
Posted: 2006. okt. 14., 19:17
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how could they have come up with such a stupid name? that's really a very very bad decision, and I hope they reconsider.
iceweasel is a stupid name. It's just a resentment fueled naming of firefox, it's not a real name. It's almost childish in its badness.
There were some pretty good suggestions, freefox was one of the better ones, it actually suggested something, rolled off the tongue, would not confuse users, and also points to the core problem, firefox as currently packaged is not in fact fully free due to the stupid image/name trademark issues. |
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Post subject: RE: IceWeasel Is Not Firefox
Posted: 2006. okt. 14., 21:09
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The read where one of the debian guys said that if they had a name that was too close to the name "firefox" then they could still be taken to court. So just in case, they wanted a name that didn't have the name "fire" nor "fox" in it.
I agree that users will be confused, but it's hard to come up with a non-confusing replacement name without the words fire and fox ... and so the user will not know that it's really firefox.
I'm not so worried here, as new users will learn (as they learn linux) what app are used for what purpose. App's A and B is used for this, and App's X, Y and Z are used for that. Konqueror and Iceweasel are used for the internet. The new users wouldn't think that the name Iceweasel is any more strange then the name Konqueror or any of the other strange app names. A lot of the linux app names aren't related to the purpose they are designed for (Firefox for example), and some of them are named with tongue in cheek (the Python programming language was named by people who really liked Monty Python). The people who named sux "sux" would have had a smile on there face I sure. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: IceWeasel Is Not Firefox
Posted: 2006. okt. 14., 22:33
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h2 wrote:
how could they have come up with such a stupid name? that's really a very very bad decision, and I hope they reconsider.
iceweasel is a stupid name. It's just a resentment fueled naming of firefox, it's not a real name. It's almost childish in its badness.
My thought exactly. "Iceweasel" is just dumb. They could do something with "ice" -- maybe look through the dictionary for words starting with it -- but "weasel"? Time to email the maintainer.
Looks like Linspire/Freespire's already been down this path, since their web browser is Firefox except in name.
Incidentally, I've been playing with GNU Iceweasel, and was surprised to find that it uses my existing ~/.firefox directory by default (settings, plugins, bookmarks, etc.). They'll probably have to change that, too. |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 01:05
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Oh come on you guys, what's in a name anyway? Iceweasel is such a bad name it's cool 
So when is the sh** supposed to hit the fan, anyway? What's Debian going to do, & how are us Kanotix users supposed to feel ethically about the Firefox we now have installed? I'm using 1.5.0.7 with 2006-01. What's going to happen in the future? |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 02:35
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| Just received a surprise in my recent d-u, Thunderbird is now Icedove. |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 03:10
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| Only the locales language packs are available for amd64 side |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 03:10
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Yep Thunderbird is now IceDove and hopefully IceWeasel makes in the repos soon. Weird thing about that is I could never get Thunderbird to send email using Gmail IceDove did it with no problem. Very strange, one of those things that make you go MMMMMMMMMM.
Using the verison from gnu.org all it didn't use the firefox profile I had to copy my extensions and settings into the /.gnuzilla/iceweasel folder.
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060926 Iceweasel/1.5.0.7-g1
Who cares what the names is? It works and thats all that matters to most people. |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 05:15
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| ICEDOVE? Now THAT'S a dumb name. It doesn't conjure up much except a dead bird frozen in ice. Fitting, perhaps... |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 10:26
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Any name is dumb when changed because of idiot corperations and there idiot lawyers. Stupid names for the mozilla software seems very fitting to me. F*** them and there crap. All free IceWeasel here i come!
(edit) strange they used a picture of a Yak or similiar cow type creature for the logo on the "about screen" eco2geek posted...... IcyYakWeaselCow browser. |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 10:29
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| C'mon. A name is a name is a name. Get over it . . . |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 11:24
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True, Kelmo, but in English weasel has poor connotations.
weasel: a cunning, sneaky person; Slang. an informer or stool pigeon; to evade an obligation or duty; to use weasel words is to be ambiguous or mislead.
Obviously they were going the other direction in their naming:
ice<->fire
weasel<->fox
But it is stupid to find a name that is a reaction to the original name. |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 12:42
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The name firefox suggests burning vermin, i cant see how anything can be worse than that...
Lets not forget Beryl, a womans name usually for the over 60's nowadays. Great for cutting edge desktop technology?
Amarok, sounds like Anorak- and takes months to learn to spell properly LOL.
ETC.
All names are dumb until they settle in. This applies to everything not just software. |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 13:01
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| There have been a few blogs and articles ranting about the Firefox fork, but is a true fork. I thought that the changes from the Mozilla code are just the same as when it was Debian Firefox with the change of name and logo. I suppose my concern would be with time compatability with plugins, extentions etc. |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 15:31
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it's over (make a d-u)
tbfkaff = icedove
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 18:39
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as names go, icedove is for some reason neutral to me, not embarrassing to say, and doesn't really have any connotation at all, but since this is all over re the decision being made, from now I'll have to tell friends, ok, now click on the iceweasel thing to get to firefox... sorry for the name, geeks, what can I say?....
I'd say if this doesn't prove that debian truly has no interest in marketing nothing will, so I guess that's a plus in some ways. |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 20:43
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stryder wrote:
weasel: a cunning, sneaky person; Slang. an informer or stool pigeon; to evade an obligation or duty; to use weasel words is to be ambiguous or mislead.
No-one would choose a nickname anything like "swindler" either right?  |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 23:02
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I just want to throw in my 2c here:
as far as I know the whole shebang from mozilla is now know as "icelizards"
the separate packages will probably be named the following:
firefox iceweasel
thunderbird icedove
seamonkey iceape
sunbird mooneagle
lightning snowstorm
Nothing is set in stone, but this is sort of the idea.
iceweasel, icedove and iceape are currently being worked on.
If you want a preview of what iceape is going to be like, go to: http://hjh.passys.nl/Debian/Experimental |
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Posted: 2006. okt. 15., 23:55
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| Badamtatarattam
HJH wrote:
will probably be named the following:
firefox iceweasel
thunderbird icedove
seamonkey iceape
sunbird mooneagle
lightning snowstorm
Where to get the infos what they are really named IF they are renamed?
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Posted: 2006. okt. 16., 00:01
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Posted: 2006. okt. 16., 00:27
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No *ice* yet in the repositories.
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